"Effeminate homosexual men adopt transsexualism as a means to attract men."
It was Ray Blanchard who came up with the concept of the homosexual transsexual, no? But is anyone with the necessary qualifications and objectivity studying this phenomenon? It does not sound like it falls within the scope Michael Bailey's research.
It is hard to believe that a well adjusted effeminate man who fancies men, enjoys good mental health and has not been scarred by trauma from his or other people's reaction to his same-sex attraction would undergo a so-called sex change in order to have sex with men. Surely men who find themselves in such a predicament were marginalized and/or badly hurt in some way to begin with.
It is equally difficult to conceive of the sort of man who would be attracted to a so-called homosexual transsexual unless it were a manifestation of some sort of paraphilia on his part.
My reservations about the homosexual transsexual are based on the idea that gay men (which a homosexual transsexual clearly is not) celebrate their own male bodies and male sexuality. As a masculine gay man, I can think of nothing more nightmarish and fraught with peril and uncertainty than doing away with my masculinity and the parts of myself that make me male in order to attract a man and have sex with him. Shudder.
Unfortunately the premise is faulty. Gender is a linguistic term. “Sex Stereotype” is the term he’s using without clear definition.
“AGP” don’t attempt to look like women, they mimic their idea of prostitutes generally. AGP fantasy literature is not about wearing a Gap teeshirt and Mommy pants, it’s garish makeup, miniskirts, stilettos, fishnet stockings and 70’s-era streetwalker wigs.
In all I’ve read of Bailey he is utterly oblivious to these self-evident facts, which make the “research” utterly spurious IMHO.
Even the photos you supply as illustrations look like hookerwear.
So, to be clear, we are to consider research on men who dress to imitate hookers, some people naturally bring turned off by being around men looking to turn tricks, while pretending the look these men take on is supposed to be “a woman” as though all women dressed like hookers.
Well then you should take the survey and make that point over and over. Male transgenders don't look like women. They look like gay prostitutes. They are dressed as a creepy caricature of women. No one wants to see that. Well, except for other transgenders and their "allies" desperate to support them. When I see actual women on the street at night looking like a drug addled prostitute, I give them wide berth too.
I’ve commented in multiple forums, and I don’t feel he’s really capable of grasping how women dress and operate in the real world, or he wouldn’t continue to pursue the same concept repeatedly.
It shouldn’t take a survey instrument to understand that this class of men ate emulating tranny hookers. Seriously.
You understand, you’re a woman and the look is an anathema to most women. I’m not even sure straight men can perceive it sometimes.
I’m a gay man with a mind like a Biological taxonomist, and hooker-look trans delusional have been obvious to me for four decades.
The phrase is cited in professional fashion editorials - watch repeats of “Project Runway”.
When you start out a survey with faulty premises, you won’t get valuable insights no matter how honest the réponses are.
What is your biological sex. Framing the question is simultaneously redundant and prevaricating, there is only one sex with no qualification needed.
Q4 decadic age ranges lump unlike cohorts: id use generational age ranges Gen Z (Under 25)
Millennials (25-40)
Gen X (41-56)
Baby Boomers (57-75)
Silent Generation (76+)
Or life stages:
• 18-24: Young adults, including college students and early career individuals.
• 25-34: prime years often starting families and establishing careers.
• 35-44: Established professionals with families
• 45-54: Midlife with grown children
• 55-64: Approaching retirement, with children away from home
• 65+: Retirees
Or use external common standards like OECD
people aged 18 to 24 (those just entering the labour market following education); people aged 25 to 54 (those in their prime working lives); people aged 55 to 64 (those passing the peak of their career and approaching retirement).
People over 64.
Use of data from sexually immature people, Minors, distorts the survey badly.
Q5: conservative and liberal are not oppositions. Liberal today has come to mean authoritarian and dictatorial. The definitions are not given.
Q6: the better phrasing is attracted sexually to same-sex/female. The term homosexual is is not in common usage as self-described today
Q7: lacks definitions. There is no term transsexual, which is in common usage among transsexuals
Q8: Likert scale which has a double-entry “don’t know”. Has the survey constructor never made a survey questions?
Q9: while the likert scale is now useful, the question framing is where problems occur, and it’s hard to answer in short form. “Men and women differ in their physical talents” is ambiguous framing. Women and men have measurable differences in physical capacities, particularly strength, endurance, and size. Since the survey is also about “trans” the word male and female lack clarity, I’d consider “males and females have different physical strengths and weaknesses” is less ambiguous, and doesn’t bias to a positive position “talent”.
Same issue with the psychology question, it’s biased toward a positive talent rather than a neutral question for starts.
Gay marriage as a start should be “same-sex” the term used for the last decade, lesbians don’t have gay marriage. It can be clearer to say “marriage between two men or two women” to remove loaded terms. “Valid” is a loaded term; then the question is agreement with the phrase. “Marriage between two men or two women is equivalent to marriage between a man and a woman”
Cross-dressing is a clinical term. “Men should never wear a woman’s dress” in public is to the point. It’s one of the few questions so far positioned as a negative, which biases the reading, same as the “complete freedom” the whole survey is loaded with bias goin forward
“A man can wear women’s clothing in public”
“A woman can choose to have an abortion”
Neutral.
“Legal Minors should not be allowed to to get medical procedures for gender transition”. This is has so many framing problems it’s hard to know where to start. “Legal Minors” is redundant as the prior “Biological Sex”. Being a minor is a legal state as Sex is a Biological state. “Minors” implies it is only a condition of legality, an abstraction, rather “Children” as a condition of being human , as gay or female is a condition of being human. Should not be allowed”(by whom? Medicine? Law? Parents?) “have an option” is neutral. “To get medical procedures”, “have surgery”, for “gender transition” - this is a complete euphemism, so the question is framed as agreeing with a pseudoscientific concept. “Children have an option to have surgery for sex anxiety” or highly focused
“Surgery is an option for children with sex anxiety at or around puberty”
neutral but totally clear and doesn’t used pseudoscientific jargon.
The woman / political leadership question seeks to test agreement with an implicit bias - a cause/effect relationship, or that trouble in the world is due to men. It’s also odd that this question which not a physical aspect but one of the world and the relation to women. It’s two statements.
The world we experience today is due in part to distinct contribution of female and male leadership.
We would experience a better world if there were more balanced female and male leadership.
“Transgender crisis” is ambiguous. For whom is there a crisis? Transgender or people confronting trans-delusional people? What is a crisis? Is it men with a transgender delusion who create the crisis or is it men who are creating a crisis for transgender delusional people? I’m afraid the question is so ambiguous I can’t make an intelligents stab - it’s also a very leading question. I can’t rephrase it in a few minutes without understanding the purpose of the question and resolving the ambiguity. It is a low quality question because of the leading nature and the ambiguity which can swing 180-degrees positive or negative - the low level of crisis, the existence of crisis the high level of crisis, the manageable lèvel of crisis…
Sex anxiety for trans delusional men is the result of being male.
Delusion anxiety in trans men is the result of other men.
Societal anxiety which may exist with delusional men is the result of the actions of other men.
Societal anxiety which may exist with delusional men is the result of the actions of the men themselves.
And the final question is so leading and poorly worded I had to laugh. You have assert a positive to confirm a negative which is an absurd proposition. Some people will believe strongly agree confirms a crisis; some will strongly agree that there is no crisis.
“For trans delusional men, there is a crisis”
“For society, there is a crisis with trans delusional men”.
Q10 is a laugh from beginning to end. “Intellectually interested” as opposed to… sexually interested? Financially?
What is autogynephilia? We also move to an unbalanced likert scale.
“I am curious about adult men who imitate women for sexual pleasure - autogynephilia “
“Strongly disagree/to/strongly agree”
Q11
I have concerns about adult men who imitate women for sexual pleasure - autogynephilia.
Q12 I reject the use of leading language:
Are you a parent of a child who has had sex anxiety during or before puberty?
Q13 I reject entirely, it is crafted to describe a non-pseudoscientific diagnostic
If (12) is the child’s sex male or female
Therein the framing of the entire conversation collapses as I noted. Q14 I reject entirely as a leading question, it imposes an adult fetish question on a prepubertal child which is a category failure. It is logically equivalent to asking “your child has a fetish for tribadism, or cunnilingus, for PnP, for urolagnia or getontophila” you don’t ask the specific gravity of a tree, you don’t ask the sexual fetishes of a person who doesn’t have sex.
Q14
Your child orientation as an adult likely to be gay if male, lesbian if female.
Perhaps if you could ;) my perception is that the survey is designed to inject clinical terminology into a paper framework suitable for citagenesis an inoffensive way by using language which directly masks the fact throughout the entire survey we speak virtually only of men, their sexual practices, and it makes those practices through both complex naming and acronyms as inoffensive as possible.
I thought Bailey was more professional but this is major icky.
It’s like calling male pedophiles and ephemephiles ( children and teens ) “MAP” - “Minor Attracted Person” - eliminates the fact that 99% of all adults attracted to children sexually are male, not “person”, and the attraction is sexual, not neutral.
Again false framing, medicalization of a common state, pubertal sex anxiety.
You indicated your child had anxiety related to sex; you were aware of it suddenly, with assertive statements from the child.
We already know the sex of the child
Q17
Are you aware of other female children who have pubertal sex anxiety ?
Same for male
Following usage is bad framing. “Autogynephilia” is a clinical term which abstracts and hides the human reality underlying a condition. It is wildly unconvincing to me to consider that “autogynephile” will be used by that person much as a gay person rarely if ever refers to themselves as homosexual or queer.
Q19
Have you ever spoken, outside of a sexual experience, to a man who admits to imitating women for sexual pleasure (autogynephilia).
Q20
If (18) outside of sexual experience did that person convey information about their feelings of imitation a woman for sexual pleasure?
Q21 if (18) outside a sexual experience did the communication with the man change your feelings towards them?
Original question. Is leading.
Liked them less / liked them more
Q22 if 18, how would you identify your relationship to that person
Q23 “consumed” is an active verb, they may have absorbed information both actively and passively. Does the question mean actively sought out and read? I can’t tell.
In all subsequent areas use of the term “Autogynephilia” forces abstract clinical language onto a human and distorts the framing of the question which I reject, for the same reason as above. All framing should use “imitate women for sexual pleasures”, so one considers the action and mental condition not an abstraction.
Consider the radical difference between “men imitating women for sexual pleasure makes them more likely to commit sex crimes”
(Again, leading construction: men imitating women for sexual pleasure has a relationship to men committing sex crimes”
The entire category of questioning subsequently is terrible leading after leading questioln buried in medical language
“For men who gain sexual pleasure imitating women, that pleasure can be diminished or eliminated through psychological means”
“For men who gain sexual pleasure imitating women, that condition has a bearing on their character”
For men who gain sexual gratification imitating women, the time they spend doing so in society relates to their feelings of well-being.
Men imitating women for sexual pleasure should be considered mental condition.
Etc.
Q25
Supposed a man stated he derived no sexual pleasure from imitating women, because he had come to believe he was an actual woman…
Suppose a man stated he got sexual pleasure from imitating a woman and that he had come to believe he was an actual woman….
And the rest of the survey goes further and further down the abstraction rabbit hole.
“Do you believe that imitating women for sexual pleasure is associated with a desire to use women’s private space? (Invade is not neural)
I give up. As I stated before the framing of the survey creates the story, in the original model, leading question, abstractions, misattribution and curious construction is rife.
Try to answer every single question in the neutral, not even reading the question, and see how biased the result is, as a fun test.
Run that by some People ( most people are neutral to AGP) the de-abstract it: “most people are neutral to men imitating women for sexual pleasure, then you get an explosion.
That’s the framing problem, and clinical double talk.
'“Autogynephilia” is a clinical term which abstracts and hides the human reality underlying a condition.' So you don't want to use a shared word for the phenomenon, Bailey must instead add an entire sentence-length clause to every question because it will make you feel better about the phenomenon existing? That's what I am getting here. You don't want to answer questions about how you feel regarding AGP, instead you want questions that reflect your own feelings about it. Am I wrong?
“Suppose that a man stated that he was not transgender but that he was autogynephilic.
How would this affect your attitude about him?”
Is clearer and has fewer complex words and phrases than
“Suppose a man stated he was not a woman, but had sexual pleasure imitating women, how would this affect your attitude about him?”
Same number of words, one word with four syllables none with five, no undefined clinical terms,
It’s editing for clarity. The survey is rife with acronyms. And undefined terms.
No, transposing without definition an abstraction and asking questions about that abstraction is a superb way to get useless answers in a survey, autogynephilia is among the worst words I can think of and it’s so so long at five syllables, everyone then further abstracts it into AGP.
The more specific surveys become about tangible contions people can visualise, or identify as a person the more reliable they become.
It’s a fact that many fields recognize from hostage negotiation to marketing.
As chief technical officer two decades ago of a company involved in research in a completely unrelated area, I worked with specialists in tests and survey question writing - professional psychometricians.
Throughout the survey far too many questions are posed in a leading and suggestive way, I had to laugh at some.
Likewise double-blinded acronym terminology “AGP -> autogynephilia -> sexual pleasure imitating women - what’s significant is the word “sex” doesn’t occur in gynephilia - “Philia” as though it was desexed. An AGP is a man, and male and sex together make very concrete associations.
Nobody can, reading a survey visualize or identify AGP, whereas a “man pleased sexually imitating women” instantly conjures up vivid exact images which accurately frame subsequent words without bias. There is plenty of room for wording, many questions are very wordy.
So you structure:
when it comes to men who gain sexual pleasure from imitating women…
[ I would actually prefer : men who get off imitating hookers, but I’m a coarse vulgarian ]
In these men, that pleasure can be diminished or eliminated through psychological treatment?
For these men, that condition relates to their character?
For these men, their condition is related to sex crimes?
It’s really really really not hard!
For those men, you feel their condition colors their feelings about women
For those men, do you feel their feelings lead them to enter private women’s spaces?
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All questions framing children as having trans delusion or a sex. Fetish for imitating women I reject out of hand. It’s a category failure to identify children with labile or limnal sexual states with adult conditions
But what about the frumpy middle-aged male cross-dressers who look like Mrs. Doubtfire? I have read reliable sources who indicate there is a subculture of men who present as women who do not go the whole whorish nine yards. They look like grandmas or bourgeois housewives. How are they classified? Are they AGP too, only less offensive? It's not that I am trying to defend AGP, who I view as pathetic cross-dressing fetishists.
Those are not people who assault women, generally speaking, but I’ll give you an exercise. Get on “Hot Older Male” website, or “Silver Daddies” and say that you like men dressing as women in your profile. Then see how these older men actually wish to dress.
It’s quite edifying, and whorish.
Consult nifty.org and go to the trans story subsection, or Google site:nifty.org trans clothing transformation older and read the fantasies.
Lol, the issue isn't that you read too much, it's that your selection of material is awful. I think you must be torturing yourself. Shall I send you a good book?
I’m reading the golden age of gay pulp fiction and a short story collection of Mavis Gallant
And I use my AI toolkit to generate mashups of stories, this weekend was 12 labors of Hercules cleanup, re-tuned them to make them spicier and more lurid
You might find this curiously fun since you’re gay:
I have a serialized list of gay cross-genre stories AI generates:
Mashup core (every story I have ever generated has a serial number, there are round 10,000 stories, I save the result of ever idea command)
serial: B8P4Y28; book Title: Hercules Unchained; book Synopsis: A retelling of the classic myth of Hercules and the Nemean Lion. In the shimmering heat of San Francisco's underground scene, Hercules, recently arrived from Greece to escape stultifying village life and pursue gay love, was snared by his naiveté, beauty, and godlike cock in high-end call-boy trade by shadowy men on the internet. Eager to escape the shadows of the high-end call-boy trade, finds salvation under Atlas, a muscular gym owner exuding an old-world charm, who helps him to escape his past. However, as Hercules builds his new life, the gym faces a dire threat from Leo Nieman, a dangerous entrepreneur with a lion's appetite for domination, aiming to convert the gym into an exclusive club for his seedy operations. Hercules is tasked with a Herculean challenge to ward off Nieman, delving deep into a lurid network of elite debauchery, designer psychedelics, illegal underground wrestling, pornography rings, shadowy S&M for hire, and unspeakable fetishes-for pay. As tensions rise, Hercules must confront Neiman in a sensual showdown, harnessing his newfound strength and the bonds of his gym brotherhood, as well as his supernatural strength and sexuality, his god-like past possibly being part of his future. The clash crescendos in a wild, erotic wrestling match revealing betrayals and unexpected allies. In the climactic duel, Hercules's raw power and passion ignite the scene, his two-handed approach managing even overwhelming cocks and asses, culminating in a decadent victory that reaffirms his rightful place and cements the gym as a sanctuary for those who fight and love with equal ferocity.; hanky Code: black and blue; book Focus: wrestling
The book is generated with this command (the -pure bit blocks mashing up the stored synopsis further, just takes the promising pulp idea forward)
HIS-idea —pure B8P4Y28
It then generates this story model based on an overall command like “You are a lurid gay pulp fiction writer. Expand the prior synopsis into three acts <blah blah blah>” with gay pulp model “golden boy” blah blah blah
And generates this file
Arg-storyline.txt
In the shadowy labyrinth of San Francisco's clandestine networks, the pulsating heartbeat of debauchery thrummed with a ceaseless rhythm. The year is 2008, a time when the city was a kaleidoscopic canvas of hedonism and hidden pleasures. Hercules, a young Greek Adonis with a chiseled physique and soulful eyes, steps off a grimy bus amidst the fog-tinged cityscape, seeking refuge from his stifling past. Fresh from the rural breath of ancient Greece, he plunges into the throes of San Francisco's underground, a world of vibrant leather-clad warriors and whispers of forbidden desires.
Under the neon glow of Castro’s fervent streets, Hercules’s angelic beauty and prodigious attributes make him a sought-after prize in the echelon of high-end call-boy trades. Trapped by illusionary promises from shadowy internet figures, Hercules's initial stint in this vice-infused realm is as exhilarating as it is suffocating. His godlike physique becomes both an asset and a shackle, drawing the libidinous attention of men who deal in secrecy and exploit the naive, a whirlwind of decadence from which he yearns to break free.
Redemption beckons as Atlas, a brawny gym owner with a mysterious aura, offers Hercules sanctuary. Atlas’s Gym isn't just a haven of muscles and sweat, but a gathering place for those seeking solace from the stormy seas of San Francisco's underbelly. With Atlas's mentorship, Hercules begins to unlock his inner strength, both physical and emotional, as he is woven into the gym's fabric of camaraderie and defiant spirit.
Yet, peace is fleeting, for the gym soon finds itself in the crosshairs of Leo Nieman, a sinister entrepreneur whose ambitions are as ferocious as his namesake. Nieman, renowned for his insatiable thirst for power, plans to overthrow the humble sanctuary, converting it into a baroque arena of illicit thrills – a palace of debauchery from which shadows are cast in every direction. The wrestling rings would become pits of pleasure and peril, a playground for those tangled in Nieman's web.
Hercules is thrust into the eye of the storm, taskedw with a Herculean mission - to protect his newfound sanctuary from descending into an abyss of depravity. As secrets unravel, alliances are forged under the most sensual circumstances, and the lines of trust blur, revealing that some adversaries harbor hearts of gold, while trusted confidants hide daggers behind their backs.
<blah blah “Night is the Golden Wrestlers”>
As the roaring spectators morph into a writhing beast of anticipation, the two titans march into the ring—a spectral battleground where old rules fade before primal instinct. Hercules, entangled in the tapestry of old loyalties and present betrayals, channels the whispered strength of his ancestors. Every blow becomes a symphony of raw power, every parry a tempest of sinew and sweat, until the very foundations quake beneath their cataclysmic exchange. Nieman, ever the silver-tongued maestro of chaos, attempts to tip the scales with insidious allurements, promising Hercules the keys to decadent kingdoms—trinkets of power against the eternal commingling of past and future. Yet, it is Lucien, the seemingly humble janitor—the unsung hero of backrooms—who tips the scales with a deft betrayal of Nieman. The duplicity strikes with delicious irony, Lucien revealing himself to be a keeper of Herculean legacies, a custodian of stories past, his loyalty illuminating the path in their hour of need.
In a climactic crescendo, as the assemblage of humanity bay for resolution, Hercules, bound by brotherhood and primal fury, finds the truth in his core, a blazing inferno driving him beyond mortal limits. Clarity emerges—a primordial force rooted in love, friendship, and the lust for life. With a roar that rends the core of man and beast alike, Hercules slams Antaeus into the ground, severing the bonds of control Nieman wove, and Antaeus's defeat becomes a beacon lighting the arena with triumphant freedom. In the chaotic aftermath, as bodies untangle in the closing throes of debauchery and a new dawn cusp, Hercules stands victorious, a lion not chained by desires or deceit. The gym, saved from its predatory fate, pulses with the lifeblood of those who declare allegiance not to shadow, but brotherhood. With the sun casting long shadows across San Francisco’s fog-tinged streets, Hercules, forever altered, takes his place amidst the hallowed halls of myth, a guardian in an unchained sanctuary where warriors fight passionately and love unapologetically.
I particularly like the humble janitor of back rooms.
It then randomly assigned an author from a list tuned to sound like pornstars and authors
Decoding: Edward Gorey is the actual author, the AI writes in 1st person “I did” style, highly explicit, tuned to school grade 7 level reading comprehension, obsessed with “muscle” and “girth”, in a hardboiled detective fiction harshness harshness, this command is verbose, I do a 2nd phase language alignment to Gorey (intensification), I use a naked dialogue style without “he said she said”, write saves changes into the book constructor
It stories this command.
"You are the writer. You write with heavy dialogue with exaggerated emotions, sexual innuendo, with characters describing sensations, emotions, what they see, what they feel. Write in the exaggerated first-person style of author the hardboiled style of Edward Gorey. Use the filthiest, coarsest language possible—make a sailor blush. Expletives include: damn, hell, crap, bloody, bastard, fuck, shit, motherfucker, cocksucker, asshole. Ensure the reading level remains at approximately reading Grade 7. The writing should also focus heavily on the theme of 'muscle girth', incorporating it into the style and narrative.You use 'Naked Dialogue' style dialogue, without character attributions, without descriptive actions, just the voice of the character to imply tone and emotion. Ensure you use 'Naked Dialogue' style dialogue, ensure there are no character attributions, ensure there are no descriptive actions in the dialogue. For example: 'Uh, Hello, how are YOU sir', is acceptable. 'Hello, how are you sir, he said hesitantly, shocked by his boldness' is not acceptable. Most paragraphs are dialogue."
I’ll. Probably shift it to 3rd person.
A separate process generates chapter illustrations. I have about 600 full novels now.
I also “write” too much perhaps.
Would you like a personalized lurid gay pulp fiction novel?
"Effeminate homosexual men adopt transsexualism as a means to attract men."
It was Ray Blanchard who came up with the concept of the homosexual transsexual, no? But is anyone with the necessary qualifications and objectivity studying this phenomenon? It does not sound like it falls within the scope Michael Bailey's research.
It is hard to believe that a well adjusted effeminate man who fancies men, enjoys good mental health and has not been scarred by trauma from his or other people's reaction to his same-sex attraction would undergo a so-called sex change in order to have sex with men. Surely men who find themselves in such a predicament were marginalized and/or badly hurt in some way to begin with.
It is equally difficult to conceive of the sort of man who would be attracted to a so-called homosexual transsexual unless it were a manifestation of some sort of paraphilia on his part.
My reservations about the homosexual transsexual are based on the idea that gay men (which a homosexual transsexual clearly is not) celebrate their own male bodies and male sexuality. As a masculine gay man, I can think of nothing more nightmarish and fraught with peril and uncertainty than doing away with my masculinity and the parts of myself that make me male in order to attract a man and have sex with him. Shudder.
The homosexual transsexual exactly falls within the scope of Bailey's reasearch, that's why he wrote about it in his book.
Unfortunately the premise is faulty. Gender is a linguistic term. “Sex Stereotype” is the term he’s using without clear definition.
“AGP” don’t attempt to look like women, they mimic their idea of prostitutes generally. AGP fantasy literature is not about wearing a Gap teeshirt and Mommy pants, it’s garish makeup, miniskirts, stilettos, fishnet stockings and 70’s-era streetwalker wigs.
In all I’ve read of Bailey he is utterly oblivious to these self-evident facts, which make the “research” utterly spurious IMHO.
Even the photos you supply as illustrations look like hookerwear.
So, to be clear, we are to consider research on men who dress to imitate hookers, some people naturally bring turned off by being around men looking to turn tricks, while pretending the look these men take on is supposed to be “a woman” as though all women dressed like hookers.
The photos are of Phil Illy, who has stirred no small controversy. Bailey does not pretend AGPs are women.
Well then you should take the survey and make that point over and over. Male transgenders don't look like women. They look like gay prostitutes. They are dressed as a creepy caricature of women. No one wants to see that. Well, except for other transgenders and their "allies" desperate to support them. When I see actual women on the street at night looking like a drug addled prostitute, I give them wide berth too.
I’ve commented in multiple forums, and I don’t feel he’s really capable of grasping how women dress and operate in the real world, or he wouldn’t continue to pursue the same concept repeatedly.
It shouldn’t take a survey instrument to understand that this class of men ate emulating tranny hookers. Seriously.
You understand, you’re a woman and the look is an anathema to most women. I’m not even sure straight men can perceive it sometimes.
I’m a gay man with a mind like a Biological taxonomist, and hooker-look trans delusional have been obvious to me for four decades.
The phrase is cited in professional fashion editorials - watch repeats of “Project Runway”.
When you start out a survey with faulty premises, you won’t get valuable insights no matter how honest the réponses are.
Could you please identify any weaknesses you see in this survey? https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/50vd239yshv7k9p1r7d3t/Survey.docx?rlkey=rcnio4zky5oasnguqpcp5u4l5&e=2&dl=0
Q3
What is your biological sex. Framing the question is simultaneously redundant and prevaricating, there is only one sex with no qualification needed.
Q4 decadic age ranges lump unlike cohorts: id use generational age ranges Gen Z (Under 25)
Millennials (25-40)
Gen X (41-56)
Baby Boomers (57-75)
Silent Generation (76+)
Or life stages:
• 18-24: Young adults, including college students and early career individuals.
• 25-34: prime years often starting families and establishing careers.
• 35-44: Established professionals with families
• 45-54: Midlife with grown children
• 55-64: Approaching retirement, with children away from home
• 65+: Retirees
Or use external common standards like OECD
people aged 18 to 24 (those just entering the labour market following education); people aged 25 to 54 (those in their prime working lives); people aged 55 to 64 (those passing the peak of their career and approaching retirement).
People over 64.
Use of data from sexually immature people, Minors, distorts the survey badly.
Q5: conservative and liberal are not oppositions. Liberal today has come to mean authoritarian and dictatorial. The definitions are not given.
Q6: the better phrasing is attracted sexually to same-sex/female. The term homosexual is is not in common usage as self-described today
Q7: lacks definitions. There is no term transsexual, which is in common usage among transsexuals
Q8: Likert scale which has a double-entry “don’t know”. Has the survey constructor never made a survey questions?
Q9: while the likert scale is now useful, the question framing is where problems occur, and it’s hard to answer in short form. “Men and women differ in their physical talents” is ambiguous framing. Women and men have measurable differences in physical capacities, particularly strength, endurance, and size. Since the survey is also about “trans” the word male and female lack clarity, I’d consider “males and females have different physical strengths and weaknesses” is less ambiguous, and doesn’t bias to a positive position “talent”.
Same issue with the psychology question, it’s biased toward a positive talent rather than a neutral question for starts.
Gay marriage as a start should be “same-sex” the term used for the last decade, lesbians don’t have gay marriage. It can be clearer to say “marriage between two men or two women” to remove loaded terms. “Valid” is a loaded term; then the question is agreement with the phrase. “Marriage between two men or two women is equivalent to marriage between a man and a woman”
Cross-dressing is a clinical term. “Men should never wear a woman’s dress” in public is to the point. It’s one of the few questions so far positioned as a negative, which biases the reading, same as the “complete freedom” the whole survey is loaded with bias goin forward
“A man can wear women’s clothing in public”
“A woman can choose to have an abortion”
Neutral.
“Legal Minors should not be allowed to to get medical procedures for gender transition”. This is has so many framing problems it’s hard to know where to start. “Legal Minors” is redundant as the prior “Biological Sex”. Being a minor is a legal state as Sex is a Biological state. “Minors” implies it is only a condition of legality, an abstraction, rather “Children” as a condition of being human , as gay or female is a condition of being human. Should not be allowed”(by whom? Medicine? Law? Parents?) “have an option” is neutral. “To get medical procedures”, “have surgery”, for “gender transition” - this is a complete euphemism, so the question is framed as agreeing with a pseudoscientific concept. “Children have an option to have surgery for sex anxiety” or highly focused
“Surgery is an option for children with sex anxiety at or around puberty”
neutral but totally clear and doesn’t used pseudoscientific jargon.
The woman / political leadership question seeks to test agreement with an implicit bias - a cause/effect relationship, or that trouble in the world is due to men. It’s also odd that this question which not a physical aspect but one of the world and the relation to women. It’s two statements.
The world we experience today is due in part to distinct contribution of female and male leadership.
We would experience a better world if there were more balanced female and male leadership.
“Transgender crisis” is ambiguous. For whom is there a crisis? Transgender or people confronting trans-delusional people? What is a crisis? Is it men with a transgender delusion who create the crisis or is it men who are creating a crisis for transgender delusional people? I’m afraid the question is so ambiguous I can’t make an intelligents stab - it’s also a very leading question. I can’t rephrase it in a few minutes without understanding the purpose of the question and resolving the ambiguity. It is a low quality question because of the leading nature and the ambiguity which can swing 180-degrees positive or negative - the low level of crisis, the existence of crisis the high level of crisis, the manageable lèvel of crisis…
Sex anxiety for trans delusional men is the result of being male.
Delusion anxiety in trans men is the result of other men.
Societal anxiety which may exist with delusional men is the result of the actions of other men.
Societal anxiety which may exist with delusional men is the result of the actions of the men themselves.
And the final question is so leading and poorly worded I had to laugh. You have assert a positive to confirm a negative which is an absurd proposition. Some people will believe strongly agree confirms a crisis; some will strongly agree that there is no crisis.
“For trans delusional men, there is a crisis”
“For society, there is a crisis with trans delusional men”.
Q10 is a laugh from beginning to end. “Intellectually interested” as opposed to… sexually interested? Financially?
What is autogynephilia? We also move to an unbalanced likert scale.
“I am curious about adult men who imitate women for sexual pleasure - autogynephilia “
“Strongly disagree/to/strongly agree”
Q11
I have concerns about adult men who imitate women for sexual pleasure - autogynephilia.
Q12 I reject the use of leading language:
Are you a parent of a child who has had sex anxiety during or before puberty?
Q13 I reject entirely, it is crafted to describe a non-pseudoscientific diagnostic
If (12) is the child’s sex male or female
Therein the framing of the entire conversation collapses as I noted. Q14 I reject entirely as a leading question, it imposes an adult fetish question on a prepubertal child which is a category failure. It is logically equivalent to asking “your child has a fetish for tribadism, or cunnilingus, for PnP, for urolagnia or getontophila” you don’t ask the specific gravity of a tree, you don’t ask the sexual fetishes of a person who doesn’t have sex.
Q14
Your child orientation as an adult likely to be gay if male, lesbian if female.
Is there a field in Bailey's survey that will accommodate this entire text? If so, copy, paste and send!
Perhaps if you could ;) my perception is that the survey is designed to inject clinical terminology into a paper framework suitable for citagenesis an inoffensive way by using language which directly masks the fact throughout the entire survey we speak virtually only of men, their sexual practices, and it makes those practices through both complex naming and acronyms as inoffensive as possible.
I thought Bailey was more professional but this is major icky.
It’s like calling male pedophiles and ephemephiles ( children and teens ) “MAP” - “Minor Attracted Person” - eliminates the fact that 99% of all adults attracted to children sexually are male, not “person”, and the attraction is sexual, not neutral.
We are not speaking of Bibliophiles
Q15
Again false framing, medicalization of a common state, pubertal sex anxiety.
You indicated your child had anxiety related to sex; you were aware of it suddenly, with assertive statements from the child.
We already know the sex of the child
Q17
Are you aware of other female children who have pubertal sex anxiety ?
Same for male
Following usage is bad framing. “Autogynephilia” is a clinical term which abstracts and hides the human reality underlying a condition. It is wildly unconvincing to me to consider that “autogynephile” will be used by that person much as a gay person rarely if ever refers to themselves as homosexual or queer.
Q19
Have you ever spoken, outside of a sexual experience, to a man who admits to imitating women for sexual pleasure (autogynephilia).
Q20
If (18) outside of sexual experience did that person convey information about their feelings of imitation a woman for sexual pleasure?
Q21 if (18) outside a sexual experience did the communication with the man change your feelings towards them?
Original question. Is leading.
Liked them less / liked them more
Q22 if 18, how would you identify your relationship to that person
Q23 “consumed” is an active verb, they may have absorbed information both actively and passively. Does the question mean actively sought out and read? I can’t tell.
In all subsequent areas use of the term “Autogynephilia” forces abstract clinical language onto a human and distorts the framing of the question which I reject, for the same reason as above. All framing should use “imitate women for sexual pleasures”, so one considers the action and mental condition not an abstraction.
Consider the radical difference between “men imitating women for sexual pleasure makes them more likely to commit sex crimes”
(Again, leading construction: men imitating women for sexual pleasure has a relationship to men committing sex crimes”
The entire category of questioning subsequently is terrible leading after leading questioln buried in medical language
“For men who gain sexual pleasure imitating women, that pleasure can be diminished or eliminated through psychological means”
“For men who gain sexual pleasure imitating women, that condition has a bearing on their character”
For men who gain sexual gratification imitating women, the time they spend doing so in society relates to their feelings of well-being.
Men imitating women for sexual pleasure should be considered mental condition.
Etc.
Q25
Supposed a man stated he derived no sexual pleasure from imitating women, because he had come to believe he was an actual woman…
Suppose a man stated he got sexual pleasure from imitating a woman and that he had come to believe he was an actual woman….
And the rest of the survey goes further and further down the abstraction rabbit hole.
“Do you believe that imitating women for sexual pleasure is associated with a desire to use women’s private space? (Invade is not neural)
I give up. As I stated before the framing of the survey creates the story, in the original model, leading question, abstractions, misattribution and curious construction is rife.
Try to answer every single question in the neutral, not even reading the question, and see how biased the result is, as a fun test.
Run that by some People ( most people are neutral to AGP) the de-abstract it: “most people are neutral to men imitating women for sexual pleasure, then you get an explosion.
That’s the framing problem, and clinical double talk.
'“Autogynephilia” is a clinical term which abstracts and hides the human reality underlying a condition.' So you don't want to use a shared word for the phenomenon, Bailey must instead add an entire sentence-length clause to every question because it will make you feel better about the phenomenon existing? That's what I am getting here. You don't want to answer questions about how you feel regarding AGP, instead you want questions that reflect your own feelings about it. Am I wrong?
You mean:
“Suppose that a man stated that he was not transgender but that he was autogynephilic.
How would this affect your attitude about him?”
Is clearer and has fewer complex words and phrases than
“Suppose a man stated he was not a woman, but had sexual pleasure imitating women, how would this affect your attitude about him?”
Same number of words, one word with four syllables none with five, no undefined clinical terms,
It’s editing for clarity. The survey is rife with acronyms. And undefined terms.
No, transposing without definition an abstraction and asking questions about that abstraction is a superb way to get useless answers in a survey, autogynephilia is among the worst words I can think of and it’s so so long at five syllables, everyone then further abstracts it into AGP.
The more specific surveys become about tangible contions people can visualise, or identify as a person the more reliable they become.
It’s a fact that many fields recognize from hostage negotiation to marketing.
As chief technical officer two decades ago of a company involved in research in a completely unrelated area, I worked with specialists in tests and survey question writing - professional psychometricians.
Throughout the survey far too many questions are posed in a leading and suggestive way, I had to laugh at some.
Likewise double-blinded acronym terminology “AGP -> autogynephilia -> sexual pleasure imitating women - what’s significant is the word “sex” doesn’t occur in gynephilia - “Philia” as though it was desexed. An AGP is a man, and male and sex together make very concrete associations.
Nobody can, reading a survey visualize or identify AGP, whereas a “man pleased sexually imitating women” instantly conjures up vivid exact images which accurately frame subsequent words without bias. There is plenty of room for wording, many questions are very wordy.
So you structure:
when it comes to men who gain sexual pleasure from imitating women…
[ I would actually prefer : men who get off imitating hookers, but I’m a coarse vulgarian ]
In these men, that pleasure can be diminished or eliminated through psychological treatment?
For these men, that condition relates to their character?
For these men, their condition is related to sex crimes?
It’s really really really not hard!
For those men, you feel their condition colors their feelings about women
For those men, do you feel their feelings lead them to enter private women’s spaces?
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All questions framing children as having trans delusion or a sex. Fetish for imitating women I reject out of hand. It’s a category failure to identify children with labile or limnal sexual states with adult conditions
“Girls with post-menopausal depression”
“Boys with andropause related depression”
“Girls with post-partum depression”
“Boys with erectile dysfunction”
Junk
But what about the frumpy middle-aged male cross-dressers who look like Mrs. Doubtfire? I have read reliable sources who indicate there is a subculture of men who present as women who do not go the whole whorish nine yards. They look like grandmas or bourgeois housewives. How are they classified? Are they AGP too, only less offensive? It's not that I am trying to defend AGP, who I view as pathetic cross-dressing fetishists.
Those are not people who assault women, generally speaking, but I’ll give you an exercise. Get on “Hot Older Male” website, or “Silver Daddies” and say that you like men dressing as women in your profile. Then see how these older men actually wish to dress.
It’s quite edifying, and whorish.
Consult nifty.org and go to the trans story subsection, or Google site:nifty.org trans clothing transformation older and read the fantasies.
Sometimes I think I read far too much
Thanks!
Lol, the issue isn't that you read too much, it's that your selection of material is awful. I think you must be torturing yourself. Shall I send you a good book?
I’m reading the golden age of gay pulp fiction and a short story collection of Mavis Gallant
And I use my AI toolkit to generate mashups of stories, this weekend was 12 labors of Hercules cleanup, re-tuned them to make them spicier and more lurid
You might find this curiously fun since you’re gay:
I have a serialized list of gay cross-genre stories AI generates:
Mashup core (every story I have ever generated has a serial number, there are round 10,000 stories, I save the result of ever idea command)
serial: B8P4Y28; book Title: Hercules Unchained; book Synopsis: A retelling of the classic myth of Hercules and the Nemean Lion. In the shimmering heat of San Francisco's underground scene, Hercules, recently arrived from Greece to escape stultifying village life and pursue gay love, was snared by his naiveté, beauty, and godlike cock in high-end call-boy trade by shadowy men on the internet. Eager to escape the shadows of the high-end call-boy trade, finds salvation under Atlas, a muscular gym owner exuding an old-world charm, who helps him to escape his past. However, as Hercules builds his new life, the gym faces a dire threat from Leo Nieman, a dangerous entrepreneur with a lion's appetite for domination, aiming to convert the gym into an exclusive club for his seedy operations. Hercules is tasked with a Herculean challenge to ward off Nieman, delving deep into a lurid network of elite debauchery, designer psychedelics, illegal underground wrestling, pornography rings, shadowy S&M for hire, and unspeakable fetishes-for pay. As tensions rise, Hercules must confront Neiman in a sensual showdown, harnessing his newfound strength and the bonds of his gym brotherhood, as well as his supernatural strength and sexuality, his god-like past possibly being part of his future. The clash crescendos in a wild, erotic wrestling match revealing betrayals and unexpected allies. In the climactic duel, Hercules's raw power and passion ignite the scene, his two-handed approach managing even overwhelming cocks and asses, culminating in a decadent victory that reaffirms his rightful place and cements the gym as a sanctuary for those who fight and love with equal ferocity.; hanky Code: black and blue; book Focus: wrestling
The book is generated with this command (the -pure bit blocks mashing up the stored synopsis further, just takes the promising pulp idea forward)
HIS-idea —pure B8P4Y28
It then generates this story model based on an overall command like “You are a lurid gay pulp fiction writer. Expand the prior synopsis into three acts <blah blah blah>” with gay pulp model “golden boy” blah blah blah
And generates this file
Arg-storyline.txt
In the shadowy labyrinth of San Francisco's clandestine networks, the pulsating heartbeat of debauchery thrummed with a ceaseless rhythm. The year is 2008, a time when the city was a kaleidoscopic canvas of hedonism and hidden pleasures. Hercules, a young Greek Adonis with a chiseled physique and soulful eyes, steps off a grimy bus amidst the fog-tinged cityscape, seeking refuge from his stifling past. Fresh from the rural breath of ancient Greece, he plunges into the throes of San Francisco's underground, a world of vibrant leather-clad warriors and whispers of forbidden desires.
Under the neon glow of Castro’s fervent streets, Hercules’s angelic beauty and prodigious attributes make him a sought-after prize in the echelon of high-end call-boy trades. Trapped by illusionary promises from shadowy internet figures, Hercules's initial stint in this vice-infused realm is as exhilarating as it is suffocating. His godlike physique becomes both an asset and a shackle, drawing the libidinous attention of men who deal in secrecy and exploit the naive, a whirlwind of decadence from which he yearns to break free.
Redemption beckons as Atlas, a brawny gym owner with a mysterious aura, offers Hercules sanctuary. Atlas’s Gym isn't just a haven of muscles and sweat, but a gathering place for those seeking solace from the stormy seas of San Francisco's underbelly. With Atlas's mentorship, Hercules begins to unlock his inner strength, both physical and emotional, as he is woven into the gym's fabric of camaraderie and defiant spirit.
Yet, peace is fleeting, for the gym soon finds itself in the crosshairs of Leo Nieman, a sinister entrepreneur whose ambitions are as ferocious as his namesake. Nieman, renowned for his insatiable thirst for power, plans to overthrow the humble sanctuary, converting it into a baroque arena of illicit thrills – a palace of debauchery from which shadows are cast in every direction. The wrestling rings would become pits of pleasure and peril, a playground for those tangled in Nieman's web.
Hercules is thrust into the eye of the storm, taskedw with a Herculean mission - to protect his newfound sanctuary from descending into an abyss of depravity. As secrets unravel, alliances are forged under the most sensual circumstances, and the lines of trust blur, revealing that some adversaries harbor hearts of gold, while trusted confidants hide daggers behind their backs.
<blah blah “Night is the Golden Wrestlers”>
As the roaring spectators morph into a writhing beast of anticipation, the two titans march into the ring—a spectral battleground where old rules fade before primal instinct. Hercules, entangled in the tapestry of old loyalties and present betrayals, channels the whispered strength of his ancestors. Every blow becomes a symphony of raw power, every parry a tempest of sinew and sweat, until the very foundations quake beneath their cataclysmic exchange. Nieman, ever the silver-tongued maestro of chaos, attempts to tip the scales with insidious allurements, promising Hercules the keys to decadent kingdoms—trinkets of power against the eternal commingling of past and future. Yet, it is Lucien, the seemingly humble janitor—the unsung hero of backrooms—who tips the scales with a deft betrayal of Nieman. The duplicity strikes with delicious irony, Lucien revealing himself to be a keeper of Herculean legacies, a custodian of stories past, his loyalty illuminating the path in their hour of need.
In a climactic crescendo, as the assemblage of humanity bay for resolution, Hercules, bound by brotherhood and primal fury, finds the truth in his core, a blazing inferno driving him beyond mortal limits. Clarity emerges—a primordial force rooted in love, friendship, and the lust for life. With a roar that rends the core of man and beast alike, Hercules slams Antaeus into the ground, severing the bonds of control Nieman wove, and Antaeus's defeat becomes a beacon lighting the arena with triumphant freedom. In the chaotic aftermath, as bodies untangle in the closing throes of debauchery and a new dawn cusp, Hercules stands victorious, a lion not chained by desires or deceit. The gym, saved from its predatory fate, pulses with the lifeblood of those who declare allegiance not to shadow, but brotherhood. With the sun casting long shadows across San Francisco’s fog-tinged streets, Hercules, forever altered, takes his place amidst the hallowed halls of myth, a guardian in an unchained sanctuary where warriors fight passionately and love unapologetically.
I particularly like the humble janitor of back rooms.
It then randomly assigned an author from a list tuned to sound like pornstars and authors
Bm —list bookAuthor
{
"bookAuthor": "Marco Banger",
"frontMatter.titlePage.bookAuthor": "Marco Banger"
}
“Marco Banger” is actually mapped to Edward Gorey for a gothic hard boiled whimsical touch
his-writingStyle --author "Edward Gorey" --person 1 --explicit 2 --grade 7 --obsession "muscle girth" --hardboiled --verbose --align --naked --write
Decoding: Edward Gorey is the actual author, the AI writes in 1st person “I did” style, highly explicit, tuned to school grade 7 level reading comprehension, obsessed with “muscle” and “girth”, in a hardboiled detective fiction harshness harshness, this command is verbose, I do a 2nd phase language alignment to Gorey (intensification), I use a naked dialogue style without “he said she said”, write saves changes into the book constructor
It stories this command.
"You are the writer. You write with heavy dialogue with exaggerated emotions, sexual innuendo, with characters describing sensations, emotions, what they see, what they feel. Write in the exaggerated first-person style of author the hardboiled style of Edward Gorey. Use the filthiest, coarsest language possible—make a sailor blush. Expletives include: damn, hell, crap, bloody, bastard, fuck, shit, motherfucker, cocksucker, asshole. Ensure the reading level remains at approximately reading Grade 7. The writing should also focus heavily on the theme of 'muscle girth', incorporating it into the style and narrative.You use 'Naked Dialogue' style dialogue, without character attributions, without descriptive actions, just the voice of the character to imply tone and emotion. Ensure you use 'Naked Dialogue' style dialogue, ensure there are no character attributions, ensure there are no descriptive actions in the dialogue. For example: 'Uh, Hello, how are YOU sir', is acceptable. 'Hello, how are you sir, he said hesitantly, shocked by his boldness' is not acceptable. Most paragraphs are dialogue."
I’ll. Probably shift it to 3rd person.
A separate process generates chapter illustrations. I have about 600 full novels now.
I also “write” too much perhaps.
Would you like a personalized lurid gay pulp fiction novel?